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Willy It appears that 7. The dealer then pulls an Ace for Soft Previously the Player was a winner but the Dealer must now take another card and out comes a 3 for a Dealer Of course it could also have gone the other way and the dealer pulls an 8 on the Soft 17 and then busts. Section 10 refers to a subgame of Blackjack known in Australia as Pontoon. The only Crown customers it doesn't effect are the ones who don't play Blackjack. So it qualifies as being an extremely sneaky rule change IMHO, not quite as bad as Las Vegas Strip casinos stiffing punters by paying 6 to 5 for BJ's, but definately heading in the same direction. Do the rules seem ambiguous??? Having said that if you are giving the punter that extra mile you should keep them loyal. I myself do not see the problem with rule change to increase profit even though in a competetive market vegas, ac I can see the reluctance to do so. I'm certainly not sorry I escaped all those years ago. Sorry I have to disagree with your statement. We were hitting soft 17 for years. Not that the Government will actually DO anything, they make too much money off the casino. All Thanks for the interesting and thoughful discussions on this topic.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} I have copied the sections of rules that seem to apply to the discussion Ian, this means you will have some part of the detail! Something to ponder. Hello Willy, If the approved rule change is easy to find please share it with us by providing a link or the text and date. It seem's that there is a rule on the books but clarity does not appear to have been of essence when it was written. Did a little bit of research This rule was approved many years ago. I should have said 7. It is unfortunate for the player but even as a player, I can understand why it is done Victoria. An old saying is of course - If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Changes to rules only influence the edge if it impacts upon the strategy customers utilise. Whether a player plays basic strategy or not the fact is that the rules have been changed adding approximately 0. There is a file there but my Adobe PDF reader will not load it. All of which means that the decision by the Crown brains trust to quietly change the rules of someof its blackjack games three weeks ago underlines the cynicism of a business that runs on greed. If a player is sat at the table and is betting then the rule change DOES affect them. This is why I was curious about how and by who the decision to draw or stay is made. Has Crown also made the change at Burswood? Just a higher percentage rent on the players for the use of that chair. Apparently this rule change is now to be investigated as it was not done legally. The rule change affects all BJ players - all the time. Therefore to say that a General rule change on Blackjack in favour of the house only affects players who play a certain way is nonsense. Dealers on BlackJack now draw a card to a "soft 17" total eg, an ace and a six , creating a significantly higher "house advantage". Thanks for the link. The link and date of rule changes is very easy to find. Section 7 refers to the base rules of the game of blackjack. Peter Cohen, the commission's chief executive, said the watchdog was investigating whether Crown had permission to change the rules and why it wasn't displayed online. April 28th was the delayed opening date, now the website says simply "Opening soon". How is dear old Crown? This is just a grab for cash from the ordinary punter or what management refer to as the "grind". Here many casinos have gone to the dealer hitting soft 17 and many have dual rules where on higher limit tables the dealer stays and lower limit tables the dealer hits. If any proof were needed of the calculating nature of this decision, it is that the rule change has not been imposed on the casino's "elite" Mahogany Room and the "salons" reserved for the international high rollers that Crown woos so relentlessly. The thing is, the average low limit player has no clue that it makes a difference at all, even though it makes a pretty big difference. The rule 7. As Mike said it coincides with the 10th anniversary of the property and any casino complex that gets around , visitors on a weekend there's not so many of them on the planet will always be the center of local media attention. Section 1 to 9 of the rules cover the basics of the game. If so, a new breed of dealer must be forthcoming, capable of making 'business' decisions which will directly affect percentages. To change that rule, Crown would have to apply to the casino control board for a change in the law. Which means that when the dealer is on a Pontoon Game he follows the Pontoon specific rules such as From a dealer spoint of view when they are on a normalBJ table they stand on soft When they are on a Pontoon table they stand on hard Hope that clears it up. And for all that he is probably comped for his room a handful of shows and a couple of decent meals. Surely, any rule which allows the player a choice only has effect if the player exercises that choice while if the rule affects the way the game is dealt there must be an effect on the margin. Please get back to us when you've done some work. Soft 17 on 8 decks increases the average dealers winning hand from If the customers is not sitting and hitting correctly in the higher band totals this increase will be less. Why the rule change now one wonders, are PBL short of money? Johnkst Just because someone is a card counter does not mean they understand the intricacy of blackjack rule changes on sub optimal playing. Put simply, the new house rule gives the casino an advantage that will drag several more million dollars a year from the same number of suckers. As for the bigger player not a whale you need to be squeezing as much as you can out of them. It's a bit naughty when Crown has no competition in Victoria. I'm getting confused!! A couple of other things spring to mind on this topic. You need to have a good understanding of BS for this. So casinos here have the vast majority of their CSM's on low limit tables to get more hands played, and their worst rules on these tables. For example. This rule has actually been permitted in the UK for a few years now If you have one! Las Vegas Sands don't seem too worried however The stories get worse The Casino Control Act states that all blackjack rules must be approved by the Victorian Commission for Gambling Regulation and published on the website. Willy, You're doing a great job defending your position. At the same time the higher limit player is well aware of the difference. A small fine and all's forgotten. This is interesting. I would presume that hitting Soft 17 is the norm in the S. We just changed back to be more competitive. Of course it might make it more confusing. In Vegas, casinos like the Hilton and Caesars which went from almost all tables S to almost all H have lost a significant amount of higher limit players to the point that Hilton is hurting, while Caesars keeps bringing in Harrah trained players who would not know a good from a bad game ever. Let the market sort it out. The rule change has not been implemented in the high-roller areas. The casino went to extraordinary expense to change the felt on every BlackJack table on the main floor public area so that the new rule is explained. The board exists to ensure punters get a fair go, so how can they justify approving the change? Crown would have had to apply to get the game approved, yet it cannot be argued it's to the players advantage or benefit. If the players don't play it, they will have to react. Yes Crown Casino is 10 years old and who knows how long their monopoly will last. On this occasion the player doubling on 11 gets a dealt a 7, could be better but still a favourite to win. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}Believe it or not they have changed the rules on BlackJack to enable them to rake in more cash from desperate punters. However when you get to section 10 it states. It affects every BJ player. Tejas, that's my point. Dealers make no decisions on play. NYGiant 7. We all know the sort, every 5 minutes asking how long they have been playing and what there average bet is. In Ian's case he is a card counter, so take his word for it. As Victoria indicated many large Casino have dual edges at different prices, including the likes of Wynn.